Peter Goulding and Daniel Lamb interviewed by Rachel Norman

Interview with Daniel Lamb (Danny) and Peter Goulding (Pete) recorded by Rachel Norman on 10 April 2026. Duration: 1 hour 26 minutes 22 seconds. [Start of interview] PG’s childhood memory, Ilford; DL’s childhood memory, East Ham; PG, adoption as a child, Anglo-Indian background, his family, how his parents met; DL’s family, when he was born, relationship with his siblings; PG’s sibling, awareness of being adopted as a child, how he felt about it; PG’s researching his biological family, DNA testing; PG and DL on their relationship, being together for 24 years; PG search for his birth family, wanting to meet them in person; DL move to Essex as a child, school, interest in music, school clubs, impact of realising he was gay then; friendship, coming out to a friend, being outed to his family, family’s reaction then; joining the London Underground (LU) and moving out of family home; changes in family attitude since first finding out he was gay; LU work environment at Oxford Circus, inclusivity colleagues, gay colleagues [00:16:13]. PG childhood, London suburbs in 1970s-1980s, negative attitudes in culture and society towards gay people; coming out as gay in mid-20s, reactions from family members; relationship with family now; support from both their families for their civil partnership, relationship between their families; DL and PG, their respective reasons for working on the underground, DL’s interest in rules, shift patterns and childhood interest in train, PG’s father used to work on underground, tried on father’s advice after university didn’t work out; how they met, working on Jubilee line, being set up by a colleague, dating, early dates and gay nightlife culture then; impact of shift work on their relationship, colleagues’ reaction to them dating; [00:29:15] their current and past roles on the underground, changes they have observed over their respective 30 years careers; PG role as Lead Operation Delivery Manager, work on Victoria Line upgrade, for on other lines upgrades District, Metropolitan, Hammersmith & City, Circle, plans for retirement; DL role as Trains Manager at Barking Depot, previous roles at Oxford Circus driver on District line, duty manager on Jubilee line; changes observed in workforce at Barking; changes in DL’s role due to operational changed on the railways. PG mentions discrimination encountered in the past, less opportunities for non-white colleagues to progress, how there has been positive changes now, colleagues network groups, diversity and inclusion for staff and customer. They discuss safe spaces for LGBTQIA+ colleagues on LO in the past, Parsons Green, Earls Court; why some places became safe ‘gay hubs’, reminding of the context then of AIDA/HIV crisis and Section 28; challenging inappropriate comments and discrimination in the past; Transport for London (TFL) colleagues networks, LGBTQIA+ network call OUTbound, TfL participation to Pride, senior managers support; DL and PG, both being part of Pride with underground 23 years ago; support and positive action at TFL for LGBTQIA+ issues; [00:54:00] Discrimination against LGBTQIA+ community in current society, they compare their experiences of Pride in 2003 and Pride in 2025, how important Pride still is, concerns over push back for LGBTQIA+ right and trans rights; safety and public displays of affection; comparing their life now and 30 years ago, their Civil Partnership, the ceremony, what it meant to them, relationship with family members; how they felt about same-sex marriage law being enacted; their experience living through Section 28 and when it was repelled; reflecting on 30 years careers in same organisation, having family members joining TFL, family links common at TFL; being well supported at TFL. [end of interview]

This interview was made as part of People Pride and Progress (PPP) project. The project was initiated in 2023 to record the stories and memories of the LGBTQIA+ community in a new oral history archive over two years. It aimed to connect past, present and future through intergenerational interviews, offering opportunities for colleagues across all parts of the rail industry to connect, reflect on and learn from each other’s lived experiences while creating an archive of oral history interviews.