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Oral history interview with Glynn Waite conducted and recorded by Bob Gwynne on 22 September 2017 at the National Railway Museum. Duration: 2 hours 9 minutes 25 seconds. [Start of interview, 00:00:00] Joining British Rail 1960, Trains Office Derby, diagramming, train staff planning, special trains; [00:04:30] area covered, freight timetable, Derby to Barnt Green, Hornsbridge at Chesterfield; Birmingham, freight traffic analysis, wagon surveys; changes, introduction of diesels working ‘out and home’; [00:09:00] line occupation surveys; diagramming journeys and staff; [00:10:30] different jobs before being involved with TOPS; TOPS at Cardiff, start with Ebbw Vale cutover, TOPS in South Wales; [00:16:43] problem with Cardiff Tidal/East Maws works; use of Ventek terminals, issues, wagon surveys, [00:20:49] missing wagons, ‘Cripple roads’, loading wagon data into TOPS; [00:24:32] TOPS survey staff, cutover process, working hours; [00:29:25] impact of TOPS on Area Managers, attempts at economies, TOPS helping reduce amount of wagons and introduce air braked wagons; [00:35:26] TOPS and locomotive maintenance on Western Region; [00:42:39]economies, elimination of consignment notes, survey, traffic flow introduction of numbers for clients, economies on clerks and paper; [00:47:47] goods offices rationalisation, reduction in sidings, new methods of working enabling savings; [00:49:30] job at Speedlink 1984-1990; [00:50:21] TOPS moving into privatisation, non geographic allocation of reporting offices; [00:54:40] planning redundancy but kept on to work out how to affect the move away from geographic location; [00:57:36] TOPS 2000 introduction, link with privatisation; division within privatised freight network, change to Windows operating system; [01:02:23] TOPS 2000 implementation, TOPS offices for BR mainline; TOPS responsibility area (TRA), capacity limits and rationalisation, Worcester TOPS office closure, further rationalisation; [01:07:08] reason for TOPS office locations, marshalling yards, reasons for rationalisation and TOPS staff redeployment; [01:11:47] TOPS clerks, recruitment and grades; [01:14:40] Freightliner, coal/cement, links to TOPS; difference between TRUST and TOPS; [01:17:01] TRUST and LARTA, geolocated train departures; how to put in a new location [01:21:50] locations for companies; wagon load, marshalling yards, train loads rather than individual wagons; [01:25:07] merry-go-round system (MGR), automation, including wagon numbers and weights, MGR wagons kept in trains; Toton, only two roads on down-side, wagon weight limitation at some collieries, MGR wagons revolution; [01:30:17] TOPS 2000, more people understand the system, area managers and shunters can input TOPS; TOPS direct (Eric Straw), Wolverhampton Steel Terminal, training on using TOPS, including Masboro Control; [01:35:10] EWS move; cut over Swansea Borough, Newport 1974, returned 20 years later to cutover to shunters; removal of Rowntrees traffic, closure of Dringhouses yard, closing yards, Parkeston; reflection on railways during time of career, sectorisation hierarchy, Bury St Edmonds example, Peterborough-Grantham, division of payments in pre-privatisation era; [01:43:04] sectorisation process, new thinking, cost of running railway has increased, GNER causes wage inflation with drivers, causing train cancellations elsewhere;[01:49:02] career overview, lodging at Railway Hostel, Loco hostels, redundancy, WR change, traffic analysis, Rowsley, Derby, Crewe, Nantwich, Bridgend, Sheffield, TOPS implementation, Speedlink, RFD, Manchester, Islington; EWS attempts to replace TOPS; Freightliner poached Glynn from EWS with traffic; [02:01:20] work as a consultant sorting out new freight flows, sectorisation, end of Speedlink, lack of knowledge; Michael Portillo, every freight flow had to make 8.5% return on assets; [02:06:50], privatisation, increasing distance of freight flows [02:09:25] [end of interview]

Glynn Waite interviewed by Bob Gwynne

2017-09-18

Oral history interview with John Ellis, conducted and recorded by Frank Paterson at the National Railway Museum, York on 26 February 2019. Duration: 3 hr. 5 min. 35 sec. Career overview; General Manager British Rail: Scottish Region; sectorisation; Strathclyde Passenger Transport Executive (SPTE); General Manager British Rail: Southern Region; Chris Jago; Michael Holden; no adverse trade union reactions to sectorisation; transition; Dick Fearn; Deputy Director Network SouthEast (NSE); Deputy Director InterCity; sleeper services withdrawal; Jimmy Knapp; John Prideaux; Chris Green; Ivor Warburton; InterCity broken up; Chris Green letter from John McGregor (Secretary of State for Transport); move to Railtrack Production Director; John Edmonds not involved organisational structure; Joint Industry Combined Track Access Regime (JICTAR); Chris Stokes; performance regime; relationships; Chris Leah; Chris Jago; Martin Shrubshole; signalling strike; JICTAR; development of delay attribution principles and track access charges; track condition register absence; delay attribution disadvantageous to Railtrack; Tom Winsor; tight timescales; John Edmonds; separation of track from trains; relationship between Railtrack and train operating companies (TOCs); signalling strike; Managing Director Scotrail; politics; SPTE; Service Quality Incentive Regime (SQUIRE) regime; Malcolm Reed; management buyout team (MBO) team; workload; Paul King; National Express won franchise; savings not realized; John Edmonds management style

John Ellis interviewed by Frank Paterson

2019-02-26

Five magnetic reel-to-reel 1/4" audio tapes recorded on 16 and 17 November 1976 or 1982 at a conference for railway engineers. The tapes are numbered from 1 to 5. According to the notes inside the tapes’ cases, each tape corresponds to the recording of a session of the conference, with main speakers and questions from attendance, with a total of about 90 male participants throughout all sessions. The sessions were likely led by Dr Saunders. Several of these participants have been identified as British Railways workers who worked all or a part of their career in York or Yorkshire area. The following individuals may have participated to these sessions: Ken Appleby (Area Manager, York and Divisional Office, Leeds), John Bellwood (former LNER and BR, shed master, and Chief Mechanical Engineer at the National Railway Museum from 1975-1988), Geoff Bird (shed master at York), Alan Clothier (Divisional Maintenance Engineer, Newcastle), Eric Dalton (Divisional Manager Leeds), Arthur Dean (Chief Civil Engineer, York), Arthur Dytch (Deputy General Manager, York), Mike Fossett (Management services, York), Gordon Graham (Regional Operating Manager, York), Dick Hardy (shed master in East Anglia and at Stewarts Lane, Battersea), John Holt (British Railways Board Operations, York), Ernie Jefferson (Area’s Manager Organisation, Hull), George Mackie (Divisional Manager, Leeds), Mr McGregor (Divisional Manager, Hull), Geoffrey Myers (Deputy General Manager, York, and Vice Chairman of British Railways Board), Stanley Raymond (General Manager, York), John Thompson (Divisional Manager, Newcastle).

Five audio tapes of recordings with British Railways workers mainly based in York and Yorkshire area

1976-1982

Oral history interview with Alan Willis conducted and recorded by Alison Kay on 13 November 2014, at the National Railway Museum. Duration: 31 minutes. Alan Willis’ father was George Owen Willis (GW), born in Bromwich, Midlands in 1896, who was a train ambulance employee in World War 1. He worked on British trains only and not on trains on the continent. Alan Willis (AW) recounts the work of his father on ambulance trains. Childhood and family background of George Willis. How GW joined the war efforts in the ambulances, Royal Army Medical Core; photographs taken by GW; how GW recounted working on ambulance train to AW; work of GW on ambulance trains, how wounded were loaded on ambulance trains at Dover; relationships and socialisation with others on the ambulance trains; air raids impact on ambulance train, more risks in Dover; GW being promoted to Sargent; no death on board the train; how they dealt with infectious diseases, barrier nursing; shell shocked soldiers; medical orderlies on trains, nurses; how serious and less serious cases were placed on board of train; operations likely done on continental trains, not on UK ambulance trains; living on board the train; how GW met is future wife; after the war, GW career at health department Bournemouth, barrier nursing; whether GW kept in touch with people met on ambulance train, meeting Wilfred Owen; what AW remembers of a book of messages and drawings from ambulance trains patients and colleagues which has been lost

Alan Willis interviewed by Alison Kay

2014-11-13

Made during the interviewer training session. civil engineering; Parliamentary Acts; British Rail Board; reorganisation to business-led organisation; royal trains; weather; university; Royal Engineers, Locomotive Officer; Royal Engineers, Palestine; aid to Russia; civil engineering interest; training; 1948 East Coast mainline floods; redesign of bridges; Great Waverley route, loss of bridges; rebuilding bridges; unifying railways under BR; design of bridges; jobs, 1952-59; Parliamentary section; qualifying as civil engineer, 1955; Assistant District Engineer (Glasgow South), responsibilities, laying CWR; personalities; dispute on wooden and concrete sleepers; introduction of CWR; payment by results work study; laying CWR; comparison with modern rail-laying work; Beeching closures; resignalling Glasgow Central; Glasgow cont; inspection cars; inspections; bridge safety; Pway Engineer (Scottish Region); snow clearance; snow clearance; Works Engineer, BRB; effect of moves on family; Chief Engineer (Glasgow); burst water main; flooding from water main; royal train incidents, James Ness (GM), arrest of flag man, royal flowers; planning; Project Engineer, Channel Tunnel, 1970s; Civil Engineer Pway, BRB; Pway Sub-Committee; staff relations; power at Board level; introduction of business-led organisation; John Prideaux; dynamic track stabilisers; business-led organisation, effect on pway research; Director of Civil Engineering, 1985; Research & Technical Committee; Research & Technical Committee; highlights of career; 1940s-1980s Glasgow; London, British Railways Board.

Currie, Stewart

2000-04-17

Made during the interview training session. 1940s-1980s. Topics: civil engineering; major customers; Transmark; business-led organisation; Royal Engineers; Control; freight train planning; sectorisation; Places: Sheffield, Bristol, Gloucester, Cheltenham T1-4 blank; P. Boden T5 education; joining railway; T6 training ; National Service, Royal Engineers, 1954; T7 New Works; electrification; 1959, Bridge Assistant, Peterborough; Beeching plans; payment by results scheme, Sheffield; T8 track possessions; home life; Assistant Divisional Civil Engineer (Works), Bristol, 1972; T10 industrial customers, collieries, power stations; family; Sheffield, 1984; rationalisation, business-led organisation; T11 redundancy; Transmark; consultancy; T12 family ; opportunities in BR; T13 BR management; international role; G. Rutter T14 family; railway background, getting a job; T15 railway welfare; T16 Gloucester Control Office, 1940; T17 education, starting work; T18 junior clerk, Cheltenham Lansdown Station, conditions, night turn; T19 travel to work; Cheltenham traffic; T20 Cheltenham; National Service; T21-22 National Service, 1952; ambitions; T23 Control Office, Eastgate Station, responsibilities; T24 derailment; T25 1955 ASLEF Engineman's Strike; driver without route knowledge; T26 route knowledge; Controller duties; T27 duties; Birmingham Snow Hill Control; stolen locomotive; T29 stolen locomotive; T30 lodgings, 1950; Western Region HQ, Freight Train Office, 1961, conditions, pay; T31 FTO work; Head Office; Freight Train Planning ; marriage; 1960s, oil traffic; T33 housing; Regional HQ, Swindon, 1983; promotion; T34 control of FTP; business customers, Esso; T35 oil distribution terminals; planning freight; quality; T36 road freight; strikes; T37 road freight; T38 family; reorganisation, Head of FTP (WR), 1983; T39 role; 1984-85 NUM Strike; T40-41 sectorisation; redundancy; T42 family; T43-44 Transmark, NRM; End

George Rutter/Peter Boden

2000-04-17

Oral history interview with Michael (Mick) Haynes conducted and recorded by Jonathan Aylen on 16 April 2018 at the National Railway Museum. Duration: 27 minutes 29 seconds. The interview focuses on Mick Haynes’s role in the development of TOPS (Total Operations Processing System) at British Rail. Worked on TOPS from 1969 including modernisation in early 1980’s including intro; railway career start, railway management trainee, Birmingham Division; joining BR computer training (IT training) course; [00:02:30] programming language learnt, COBOL, PLAN, IBM assembler, CC++, ICL and IBM machines, data networking, knowledge of technology and business; role in TOPS, Manager of Blandford House, responsible for Blandford move to Crewe; working on IT side, relationship with Bob Armitt, 222, based in Marylebone; [00:05:20] relationship between IBM and Southern Pacific, IBM most suitable for real time transactions, ACP airline control programme vs Southern Pacific card based programme; Ventek cards used for TOPS, TOPSTRANS IBM assembler macro language, upgrade to CICS (high level COBOL language based interface); evolution of TOPS, TOPS CICS, addition of passenger trains information on system, final version TOPS 2000; [00:09:15] Blandford House, relationship with IBM and Southern Pacific, BR teams trained by Southern Pacific, modification to system, introduction of STANOX without track and spot, yard visual diagram in TOPS 2000; [00:11:00] ACP operating system, customised access method for TOPS files for fast transaction, writing in assembler, documentation built in the code, introduction of CICS; strategy in place to make TOPS operational seconds after failing, TRUST process, special traps in TOPS to prevent looping errors; [00:15:00] no knowledge of links between TOPS and SAGE American air defence system; TOPSTRANS language; telecommunication, asynchronous message transmission, telex lines with cards, synchronisation only came with TOPS CICS, use of LATA (Line Address Terminal Address), cardless TOPS via emulation, [00:19:00] front end to TOPS, use of multiplexes, dedicated phone cables for TOPS, introduction of TDU’s in late 1970s-1980s, designing TOPS own network system, online with interactive send/response real time transactions; [00:20:20] in-house designing and programming of Xlox Z80 cards for communications; comparison and collaboration with airline system team for first passenger reservation system, IBM 3270 protocols; decision making process, any changes or development by IBM assessed to decide if used or emulated in TOPS; [00:23:00] internet, IP protocols from mid 1990s, no hacking attempts; [00:23:45] CTT (Consigned Through TOPS) in 1981 allowed customer to have own terminal and release wagon, contract bound, early e-commerce; aggregation contracts [00:27:29] [end of interview]

Mick Haynes interviewed by Jonathan Aylen

2018-04-16

Oral history interview with Philip (Phil) Graham conducted and recorded by Frank Paterson on 8 March 2016 (session 1) at the National Railway Museum in York. Duration: 2 hours 16 minutes. [Track 01] Career start; childhood, interest in signalling; [00:06:00] homelessness, Hunts Bank station; [00:10:00] leading railwayman, transfer to booking clerk, pay comparison; [00:13:00] 12 hours working day, overtime; Runcorn; [00:15:00] clerical duties; relief clerk, Liverpool Lime Street, duties, pay checks; Birkenhead maintenance staff; staff free tickets; [00:20:00] Area Manager (Gordon Fox), mentor; British Rail management training scheme; grade A supervisor; train register books, timekeeping policy, justifying delays; [00:23:10] supervising grades, relief supervisor duties; carriage cleaning supervisor, Downhill carriage sidings, staff turnover, gender work differences; [00:27:00] Mark 1 carriages, destinations, sleeping cars; [00:30:00] night shift; pit road examination; [00:33:00] management lessons learned, carriage cleaners; [00:35:00] yard supervisor, Canada Dock, wagon load traffic, import, morning/evening trips from Garston, private siding; [00:38:00] 350 diesel shunter; restricted driver allocation; [00:42:00] grade B supervisor, Edgehill carriage sidings; derailment hand worked points; steam heating vans on electrified stock; [00:46:00] Apollo 19 runaway; [00:49:00] 08 shunter and class 86 collision, inquiries; [00:51:00] management training scheme, Stoke Division, NEBSS certification; [00:53:00] meeting Les Holding, Shrewsbury Area Manager, extent of Shrewsbury area, comments on Welsh branch, trust in workers, economies; [01:00:00] Cambrian coast difficulties, track conditions, late running; [01:02:00] Chester signal boxes, attitudes to divisional functions; end of training, supervisor grade C at Shrewsbury, report to Area Operations Manager; supervisor duties, staff supervised, carriage cleaning capacity [01:08:36] [end of track 01] [Track 02] supervisor at Shrewsbury, rules and regulations exam, Great Western rules; [00:04:00] move to Liverpool, promotion grade D supervisor, relief supervisor at Edgehill; job applications; career plan, personal choices; role of regulator, absolute block signalling; [00:10:20] March 1983, Traffic Manager Chester, responsibilities, 7 signal boxes, stations on North Wales coast; issues with staffing, run down of mechanical power boxes, 1984 introduction Chester Power; [00:15:00] night shift, filling-in to open unstaffed Chester Number 5 signal box; [00:17:45] enjoyment in traffic management jobs; Wrexham cash retention safe, wages paid cash, checking train account book; [00:21:20] 1986 job change, closed listing jobs, vacancy system; Traffic Manager Hull application, area and responsibilities; manually operated level crossings, Scarborough line, weekly issues on Bridlington to Hull, timekeeping; [00:27:15] automatic open level crossings, accidents, Lockington accident, fatalities ; [00:32:05] change in level crossings, AOCL (automatic open crossing locally monitored) and AOCR (automatic open crossing remotely monitored), comparison with Europe, modern level crossing technologies, obstacle detector, CCTV; [00:38:30] comparison London Midland and Eastern Regions, signal box design; chairing LDC meetings, 1985 carriage cleaners no longer working on Sundays, NUR advert Hull Daily Mail, BBC, ITV news; [00:44:30] NRM 10th anniversary, documentary; [00:45:25] miners’ strike, impact on railways; [00:49:05] Goole Docks activities, import; Goole Swing Bridge, planned closure prevented by refurbishment, accident [00:57:25] Birmingham Assistant to Operations Manager (Ian Gibson), passenger services, New Street station, extent of area, responsibilities; [01:02:10] mobility for work, renting or buying property, British Rail’s support, disturbance allowances; [01:04:30] Bentley Heath DMU fire; on call arrangements [01:07:41] [end of track 02] [end of session 1]

Philip Graham interviewed by Frank Paterson (session 1 of 2)

2016-03-08

Oral history interview with John Saville conducted and recorded by Colin Divall on 5 November 2013, at the National Railway Museum. Duration: 1 hour 50 minutes. The interview focuses on John Saville’s passenger experiences on the railways as well as his trainspotting activities. Childhood in Wimborne area, parents, education; living in Wimborne area; [00:06:20] travelling by bus and train to school; school train, push-pull train to Brockenhurst, Weymouth Grammar School and Dorchester Grammar Schools differences; [00:16:20] Afternoon train passenger in late 1950’s; Broadstone, local traffic, Pines Express; travel in local trains; push-pull trains; late 1950’s-60’s Salisbury coach sets, locomotives, winter on Salisbury line; [00:21:40] travel comfort, interior of trains SW coaching stock, Brockenhurst, vans attached to trains; [00:24:10] Creedmoor Halt story; Passengers on Poole- Salisbury train; Parkstone Girls school children; bus and train travel whilst working in Salisbury, Salisbury-Wimborne, details of platform and passengers; [00:32:10] 1963 line closure, other train services, London-Wimborne, Salisbury-Weymouth; tablet loss Salisbury-Wimborne line, implications; [00:37:10] other train journeys, London, Bournemouth Central, Brockenhurst, trainspotting; [00:40:40]1961-1962, holidays in St David’s, train travel Wimbourne-Hungerford-Swansea-Haverfordwest, South Wales-Bournemouth trains, Wimborne-Salisbury Class 4 locomotive, Salisbury-Swansea journey Class 9F locomotive, busy trains, Cardiff-Swansea engine, Swansea-Cockett travel details, Cockett-Haverfordwest journey, passengers, return journey by car; trains running from Cardiff-Bournemouth (1949); lineside fires, firefighting; [00:54:30] Oakley Crossing, crossing keeper, trainspotting, summer Saturday trains, Waterloo-Swanage train; signalling details, bell signals, signal lever pulling, Wimborne and Oakley signals, road traffic usage; [01:04:00] signal box staffing, Oakley Box, Wimborne Box, Michael Webb book, Bill Norman (porter-signalman), split shift working; [01:07:10] developing personal interest in railways, time spent at Oakley, visits to Wimborne station; Wimborne Station detailed description, entrance, cafes, cattle market, station yard, layout, station house details, booking office, parcels office, waiting rooms, etc; [01:30:30] usage of Wimborne station, decline in 1960s, station staff; [01:34:20] station facilities, rooms, bookstall, parcels; [01:37:50] goods yard, goods shed, Poole end shunter cabin, shunting arrangements; [01:40:20] freight, goods trains, Merley; interaction with Wimborne station staff; [01:43:10] travel after railway closure, bus used, details of journeys, Brockenhurst-Wimborne route, car use (from March 1965), other bus route information; [01:46:40] railway after passenger traffic closure; goods trains continued, gradual disappearance of the signals, railway gradually subsided, thoughts on how it could have survived [01:49:52] [end of interview]

John Saville interviewed by Colin Divall

2013-11-05

Oral history interview with David Russell, conducted and recorded by Frank Paterson at the National Railway Museum, York on 1 October 2018. Duration: 2 hr. 25 min. 44 sec. Early career; Paddington Senior Technical Officer; troubleshooting Old Oak Common 1964 Assistant to Depot Engineer; Quality Control Engineer Old Oak Common 1966; working with contractors; Cardiff Canton 1967; Area Maintenance Engineer Old Oak Common 1970; staff shortages; Divisional Maintenance Engineer King's Cross 1973; preparation for Great Northern (GN) electrification; Class 43 High Speed Train (HST) replacing Class 55 Deltics; Regional Traction Engineer British Rail: Eastern Region 1976; HST; Freight Engineer Derby 1982; sectorisation; scale of business; range of locomotive types; Class 56; design concepts; Class 58; British/American design approach differences; Foster Yeoman; proposal to Director Freight for own locomotives; American locomotive procurement agreement process; contract signed for first Class 59s 20 November 1984; comparisons with British locomotives; delivery; maintenance staff seconded to Foster Yeoman; first Class 59 hauled train February 1986; further Class 59 imports; success criteria; Class 59 lessons not applied; Class 60 contract awarded to Brush; John Welsby; Class 60 development; late delivery; freight business reorganisation for privatisation; Director Railfreight Distribution; retirement; Head of Engineering Mendip Rail; created a licenced Vehicle Acceptance Body for heritage locomotives and carriages; processes and procedures outlined

David Russell interviewed by Frank Paterson

2018-10-01

Oral history interview with Gordon Dudman, conducted and recorded by Frank Paterson at the National Railway Museum, York on 29 April 2019. Duration: 2 hr. 58 min. 3 sec. Early career; Area Parcels Manager Brighton; Parcels Manager Waterloo; trade unions; Red Star Manager South West; preparation for privatisation; Purley accident; Adrian Shooter; reducing overheads; contracts; Total Quality project; Auditing processes to maintain standards; private sale not progressed; Rail Express Services changed approach; management buyout (MBO) team; sale to Lynx; Red Star Timetable; freight re-organisation rejected by government 1992; safety; making privatisation work despite reservations over structure; Wisconsin Central purchase; Royal Train; MBO irregularities; track access agreement; freight access agreements based initially on existing arrangements; Peter Kirk (civil servant); joined Privatisation Group 1996; 10 schedules in track access agreements; Access Implementation Group (AIG); Schedule 4 difficulties; Railtrack; privatisation team processes; AIG meetings; Schedule 8 performance regimes; ScotRail; business groups identified; Operational Research (OR) algorithms to determine revenue values; performance standards for delays and cancellations; Trains Running System TOPS - Total Operations Processing System (Trust) performance monitoring; calculation of value per minute; Railtrack difficulties in reaching performance targets; failure to encourage Railtrack improvements; Network Code Part 3 Network Change; Leeds re-signalling; impact on personal life; Schedule 8 Central Trains; Railtrack attitude; unintended consequences of monitoring points; John Welsby/ Brian Mawhinney discussion; Schedule 4 ongoing issues; working at Railtrack; Tom Winsor; Office of the Rail Regulator; arbitration; reflections

Gordon Dudman interviewed by Frank Paterson

2019-04-29