Mervyn Llwellyn Llyod interviewed by Christopher Nairne

Made:
2025-07-03 in Woking

Interview with Mervyn Llwellyn Llyod recorded by Christopher Nairne on 3 July 2025 at Woking Signalling Centre. Duration: 2 hours 43 min 8 secs.

This interview was made as part of People Pride and Progress (PPP) project. The project was initiated in 2023 to record the stories and memories of the LGBTQIA+ community in a new oral history archive over two years. It aimed to connect past, present and future through intergenerational interviews, offering opportunities for colleagues across all parts of the rail industry to connect, reflect on and learn from each other’s lived experiences while creating an archive of oral history interviews.

Details

Category:
Corporate Archive
Collection:
People, Pride and Progress
Object Number:
2026-161
type:
oral history interview
rights:
Science Museum Group
credit:
With thanks to Mervyn Llyod. People Pride and Project Archive created by the Science Museum Group, made possible with the support of the National Lottery Heritage Fund and the players of the National Lottery

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